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I'm *Matriss and I have decided to move all my stamps to this account.

Some people are really thick. If you're an "I love naturrrr I'm a Pagan!" type person, this stamp is basically calling you a dumbass. There has never been a religion called "Pagan." Pagan is a category of religions in the exact same way that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are called Abrahamic religions.

Please don't add this stamp to New Age-y groups.


Too many people get "Paganism" confused with Wicca. One is a word that refers to a number of different non-Abrahamic religions, one is a New Age hodge-podge of old pagan religions.

I'm neither Wiccan nor any variety of pagan, the semantics just bug me.

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"...I was just wondering if you could solve a little argument we were having over here. My friend and I were disagreeing over what the word ‘Easter’ means. Would you happen to know?”

The girl stared at him as if green toads had begun to push their way between his lips. Then she said, “I don’t know about any of that Christian stuff. I’m a pagan.”

The woman behind the counter said, “I think it’s like Latin or something for ‘Christ has risen,’ maybe.”

“Really?” said Wednesday.

“Yeah, sure,” said the woman. “Easter. Just like the sun rises in the east, you know.”

“The risen son. Of course—a most logical supposition.” The woman smiled and returned to her coffee grinder. Wednesday looked up at their waitress. “I think I shall have another espresso, if you do not mind. And tell me, as a pagan, who do you worship?”

“Worship?”

“That’s right. I imagine you must have a pretty wide-open field. So to whom do you set up your household altar? To whom do you bow down? To whom do you pray at dawn and at dusk?”

Her lips described several shapes without saying anything before she said, “The female principle. It’s an empowerment thing. You know?”

“Indeed. And this female principle of yours. Does she have a name?”

“She’s the goddess within us all,” said the girl with the eyebrow ring, color rising to her cheek. “She doesn’t need a name.”

“Ah,” said Wednesday, with a wide monkey grin, “so do you have mighty bacchanals in her honor? Do you drink blood wine under the full moon while scarlet candles burn in silver candleholders? Do you step naked into the seafoam, chanting ecstatically to your nameless goddess while the waves lick at your legs, lapping your thighs like the tongues of a thousand leopards?”

“You’re making fun of me,” she said. “We don’t do any of that stuff you were saying.”

-From American Gods by Neil Gaiman, in which case Wednesday is actually Odin pointing out that people who call themselves "pagan" don't know what the hell they're talking about.


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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Paganism is a religion. Just like if someone says "I'm Christian," I can say I'm Pagan. 

They're both umbrella terms, trees with different branches, and some of those branches have smaller branches. I am Wiccan, Wicca falls under the Pagan umbrella. Just like my boyfriend is Catholic, that's under Christianity. 

Why are they allowed to say they're just Christian, but we can't say we're Pagan? 

Blessed be. :) 
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Chattingesque Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2016  Professional Writer
people confuse pagan with wicca
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2488666 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2015
No. I am a Pagan. In the same way a Christian can be a Christian without further definition. 
The term pagan was never necessary for the ancients. When everybody in your community has similar beliefs there is no need to contrast with titles.
The word pagan comes from the latin pagus meaning "country district". The term only became necessary to describe people practicing traditional beliefs. And traditionally before monotheism became a fad religion was synchratic.

And as far as Neil Gaimans little story. The answer is yes. I do drink beneath the full moon with candles in silver holders. I do hold wild Bacchanals. I do chant ecstatically while stepping naked into the sea foam.

Even though I feel you are ignorant and offensive. I wish you many blessings. 
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MedusaArt Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Student General Artist
I'm both Christian and Pagan. ^w^ I have a mixture of both beliefs.
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Keznen Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You're a synchronist. :)
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a complicated set of beliefs. 
Its a combination of three things, satanism, wicca and Atheism.
I guess it could be called atheistic paganism. 
I think magic is a gift put in people, and we are given power. 
Satan is a force of nature. not meant to be worshiped. 
Its complicated, but eh, it makes sense to me. 
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed paganism is a term coined by christians to refer to other religion in a pejorative way. So, the people that called themselves "paganism" are insulting themselves.
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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Wtf, no it's not. Paganism has been around a lot longer than Christianity, and they called Pagans "witches" and "devil worshippers." That's pretty much where the image of Satan came from. They made Satan look like the Pagan sun god. 
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I found it. Wikipedia page.

It is crucial to stress right from the start that until the 20th century people did not call themselves pagans to describe the religion they practised. The notion of paganism, as it is generally understood today, was created by the early Christian Church. It was a label that Christians applied to others, one of the antitheses that were central to the process of Christian self-definition. As such, throughout history it was generally used in a derogatory sense.
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didnt intended as an insult to you. Of course those religions are before christianism. Is just the term pagan. Is like "gentile" of the Jews or heathens. I don't know about Satan, could be that of course although I think that is a derivative of Ahriman or another Oriental myths, but anyway. Maybe pagan only have pejorative meaning in Spanish who knows.
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ArthursKnights Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
So, what if you practice Eclectic Paganism?
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ArthursKnights Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And if you practice Eclectic Paganism?
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moshrocker Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Most people understand that it is a blanket term; we just don't care. The Pagan spiritual category, religious or not, has become just that: a spiritual category. It is a set of religions or philosophies that have become so antiquated, or in the case of the New Age varieties, reformist, that it has become possible to be a Pagan of multiple kinds, and one of any theistic standpoint. In my case, I am an atheist, and I gravitate most heavily toward the Druidic, Wiccan, and Native American philosophies. It is easier for me to simply refer to myself as a Pagan, as I feel more closely to any one of these groups on different days. One day I might feel most like a Druid, the next a witch, and the next I might be dwelling on the customs of my Native brothers and sisters (I'm an atheist every day). This is the type of freedom one gains in a spiritual category not often dominated by dogma, and in fact, many Neo-Pagan religions or philosophies decry dogma and advocate personal interpretation and methodology. The reason this seems strange to, say, a Christian, is because the Abrahamic faiths have not become antiquated enough or fringe enough to warrant such casual, subjective viewing. In a few hundred years, maybe less, once the fanatical fervour for the Abrahamic religions has died down and become "New Age" through some casual reformism, you just might find someone referring to herself as an "Abrahamist".
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mimsler Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2014
Its both! pagan is used as an umbrella term to refer to a huge group of non abrahamic religions, some of which are revivalist or involve witchcraft. But it is also a way of calling one of those particular religions which is sometimes also called neo-pagan. 
i know this because i am second generation pagan who was raised in the community. i have met Norse revivalists, voodoo priests, and people who also just identify as pagan. I see it as being like a non denominational christian. in which case, it is a religion on its own, as well as it being a blanket term for lots of religions.
clearly there are other interpretations, but it is definitely a religion AND a blanket term for a huge group of religions.
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lionkinq Featured By Owner May 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mhm.
I can't find any stamps for Native American Spiritualism. :c
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Iglybo Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
Thank you! SO many people don't get this ^^
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HarpingHawke Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
First: THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT YOU ARE AMAZING THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

Second: I just read American Gods on Tuesday. What a happy coincidence! :)
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FunnelVortex Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
People like to use the term "pagan" for their Abba-Cadabra Wicca BS. When it is really a term that means "non-christian"
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Drawpaws Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
There IS a religion called a Pagan thank you! I'm a Pagan myself and all it is is that you follow the ways of nature... It's not anything bad its our religion and we have as much right to be on this planet then you do. Pagans were around before Christians were. Just because most people chose to be a Christian does not change the fact that Paganism is a religion. You have no rights into making people change their religions just because some people have second thoughts about us, the Pagans. Paganism is all about nature and is just another religion like Jewish, Christian etc and in the end, we are all people so why judge each other on our religion? You have no right calling Paganism a 'fake' religion.
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ummm. No one said you couldn't practice your religion? No one's judging it or calling it a fake religion. However you can't be <bold> just </bold> pagan, because it's an umbrella term. It's not saying you aren't allowed to be pagan, it's saying you need to be specific, because to some people, pagan is someone who worships lucifer, which you may not. For example, I call myself an agnostic pagan. I am also a green witch, which is under the pagan umbrella. It is a form of paganism. The reason you need to specifiy like that is because the term pagan was... "invented" to describe any religion or practice that was not Christian, Jewish, or Islamic. The ancient people who practice what you know as paganism didn't call themselves pagans, the ancient monotheists called them pagans. 
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So please educate yourself before you get offended c:
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Rendelline Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uhhhmmm, almostly anything you said right, but:
- nobody here said that Pagan 'is fake';
- there is NO such religion. Really.

Don't be so ignorant, please. It is a bunch of religions and calling fo example celtic traditional beliefs and shinto SAME religion is totally uneducated act. Sorry if I sound rude.
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I agree with Phaiyle and what s/he said. I am an ordained High Priest and I call myself a Pagan because I follow a nature-based path with influences from multiple sources within the Pagan umbrella. I help students of the faith non-denominationally, that is to say that I teach them skills such as meditation, visualization, or other things they would like to know that I can help with and concurrently, I encourage them to seek out their own sense of the divine rather than me telling them 'what God/s is/are'. I am a Pagan, I consider my self a Pagan, and my religion is (non-denominational, if you require) Paganism. You don't have a right to tell others what their religion can or can't be based on your own beliefs.. As a Pagan, especially, you should know better. =\
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
They weren't telling you that you can't be pagan. The message they are trying to get across is that pagan is more than one religion because it is an umbrella term, referring to any religion or practice that is not Christian, Jewish, or Islamic. The Christians started calling the ancient polytheists pagans. They weren't originally called pagans. Basically, what it is saying is that you should try to be more specific. Worship the Greek gods? Greek Pagan. Norse? Norse Pagan. It also includes witches. Green Witch, Kitchen Witch, Dark Witch, even Wicca. Satanists and heathens are pagan as well. (And yes, there are witches who worship Lucifer.) These all fall under the pagan category. I ask those who refer to themselves as "pagan" to be more specific because when talking to them, I don't want to refer to one god if they don't even worship it. If someone said Norse Pagan, I would know, if, say, I were helping them set up an altar, I could give examples of Odin or any other god they work with, but if they just said pagan, I wouldn't know what to do. 
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
You ASK who they worship, that is what you do. You don't just force people into little boxes and make them label themselves for your convenience. 

That is no better than those people who want to ban gay marriage because if it's legal they'll have to answer questions from their kids. >=[
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, and what does this person think I should call myself? I'm not Greek Pagan, Norse, Strega, Wiccan, Green, Kitchen, Dark or any of that. How, pray tell, should I classify myself so that it appeases someone's OCD for specificity?

Satanists are Christians by vitrue of Satan being a Christian figure. There are no witches who worship Lucifer, and if by some curse I'm wrong and there are, then they are too stupid to be counted as human, let alone Pagan.

Once Gay meant "happy", Queer meant "strange" and a Faggot was a "bundle of sticks". Not anymore.     So yeah, maybe once, a LOOOONG time ago, Pagan meant anyone who wasn't Abrahamic. But not anymore.

I am PAGAN. That is my religion. "Christian" is an umbrella term too, dearie, and no one harasses Christians to specify their denomination.
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Uh. I'm going to first touch on the satanist thing. 
Lucifer is not an evil deity. He never was. Even in the Christian religion. He's then one that punishes bad people and wrong doers according to the bible. Go to hell, Lucifer punishes you, not God. 
Worshiping Satan makes you pagan IF you delve into pagan/witchy/occult like practices. You can worship the Christian god and be pagan IF you delve into pagan/witchy/occult like practices. You do NOT tell someone they aren't under the Pagan umbrella. No one here has done that but you, sweetie. And you CERTAINLY do not call someone stupid or inhuman based upon their religion. I've met plenty of satanists that are less of an ass than you. Read up on the religion before you decide to insult it. 
Queer still means strange. Gay still means happy. My grandmother still use those terms. Fag is a cigarette butt. I use that term in the correct context. Just because its not used that way where you come from doesn't mean that's how it's used. 
If you label yourself as only pagan, you'll be seen as ignorant throughout the pagan community and seen as a fluffy pagan. Only trying to help. 
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I just spend like 30 minutes writing only to accidentally click a motherfucking bookmark.

Just go fucking educate yourself about the meaning of words, you ignorant little fool. I don't have the patience to write it all out again.

Etymonline.com is an etymology website, I suggest starting with "Pagan".
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm quite educated, thanks. I think you're the one who needs to read up on how pagan is an umbrella term, even more so than Christian, as it covers everything from witch to Buddhist, which is why you should specify. Do not call me an ignorant fool while you sit there feeling you have the right to insult other's religions and decide that someone is inhuman based purely on who they worship. You do not have that right. 
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
You obviously didn't look up the etymology of the word Pagan. Why, not? Afraid to be proven wrong?

"Pagan" predates Christianity, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE that it only means "not Abrahamic." As I said, EDUCATE YOURSELF.
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Allow me to rephrase the original argument:
No one is "just" Pagan, as it is an umbrella term, just as someone is not "just" Christian. However, you may address yourself as such if you have an understanding that it does not describe your religious practice as a whole, just that you are a part of the pagan community. You can not be just called pagan, because it covers a HUGE range of religions that you may take no part in. It's like me calling myself gay, even though, clearly, as a female, I am a lesbian. 
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It does not, in fact, predate Christianity. Pagan is an Abrahamic term that literally means "not Abrahamic." The pagan PEOPLE existed before Christianity. Any RELIABLE source would tell you that. I'm not going to read a silly page filled with misinformation. 
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
EDIT: I re-read and saw that you aren't a Pagan yourself. My mistake on that account. Regardless, you have no place telling people what their religion can or can't be.
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SyrinaKorramaya Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Excuse me??! You obviously have no clue that Pagan is a religion, and has been for MILLIONS OF YEARS.
GET AT ME, BRO.
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Rendelline Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is not a religion but religions.
Since I am follower of few of these religions, I am ASHAMED of people who think that Pagan is ONLY ONE RELIGION. And not only ashamed - I feel sick of such ignorance. This new-age dumbness shall die, sorry if I sound too rude or something. But I am really tired of seeing such things.
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SyrinaKorramaya Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
...Wow. I honestly had no idea. I mean, I knew that it was open to and supported many different types of cultures and things alike, but I never knew that it was a plural. Thank you so much for informing me on this. I vow never to make the mistake again.
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Rendelline Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You should be more educated at any topic before debating about it. ;)
Anyway, I thought it is kinda... obvious that Pagan is the bunch of religions?..
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HourglassOfLostTime Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012
Yes!!!!
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kathy-lu Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
FFFTHANK you <3
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Phaiyle Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2011  Professional General Artist
I call myself Pagan the same way a Christian uses the term Christian. The are specifically, say, Baptist, but they say Christian. Or in many cases are non-denominational and consider themselves merely Christian. I am do not classify myself under any one religion, but all the religions that I put my beliefs in are Pagan. Thus, I consider myself Pagan. I suppose I could say that I'm Wiccan, because a large percent of my beliefs come from Wicca, but it just doesn't feel apt.
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The difference is that pagan is a term invented by christians to call by a pejorative name to other religions that are not monoteistic/one book religions.

So, thats the origin of the term.
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xLadyTsukiyox Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Win.

Though I just call myself a Pagan for short because my beliefs really don't belong anywhere specifically. I'm not Christian. Not Jewish. Definitely not Muslim.

Full title is studying atheistic eclectic pagan. I study different books, myths, legends. I don't really believe in a deity or any deity as of yet, again goes with the studying bit. I take from different religions while staying in context, preferably Buddhism, and trying to take some bits from Satanism (I should add that when I say I'm studying that I really have no actual boundaries. What people consider evil, I get curious about) and pagan cause I don't belong with the Abrahamics, and not with the atheists because I like mixing religions together. Eventually I'll come up with a new name that sounds cool.

And a clarification on Wicca: it is classified as a pagan religion however it's not a New Age hodgepodge of old religions. But a modern fusion of old practices with modern ones. Last I checked Thelema, Order of the Golden Dawn and freemasonry aren't exactly old :s Also Wicca started as a fertility religion...dunno what's so new age bout that.
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha. I know how you feel. I refer to myself as pagan when people simply ask about my necklace. If they seem more interested, then I go into specifics. My full title is a bit of a mouthful as well. It's basically "studying agnostic polypantheonic green witch" if that even makes sense. 
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Asrath Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Student General Artist
Exactly.
Though for practical purposes I just say that I'm a "pagan" when people ask. If they're interested I explain what 'pagan' actually is, etc.
I have a strong hang towards buddhism and norse religions, but I just seek what fits me best actually. There is no word to describe 'my' religion, other than 'eclectic pagan' maybe.

And no dancing in the moonlight naked :) lol
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